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S2E8 (Monday Jones) - Racial Degradation Deep Dive
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When Monday Jones and Tosin, the kink oracle, join forces in our studio, you can bet the conversation is going to veer into territories that many fear to tread. This time, we're fearlessly untwining the sensitive but undeniably present threads of racial degradation within BDSM, a topic that's as fraught with tension as it is with misunderstood dynamics. From the shocking subcultures that thrive in the shadows to the deeply personal tales that shape our desires, we're holding nothing back in a raw exposé of fantasies that both challenge and capitulate to societal norms.
As the confessions flow, we dive into the therapeutic potential of BDSM, exploring how the delicate dance of power and vulnerability can lead to unprecedented personal growth. Whether it's the transformative nature of foot fetishes, the unexpected turns in our porn encounters, or the laughter that comes from shared absurdities in modern dating, we're peeling back the layers on the quest for self-fulfillment. Prepare to be surprised at how domestic experiences and accidental discoveries about one's own sexuality can illuminate uncharted paths to self-worth, particularly within the enigmatic world of sex work.
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Speaker 2:Hello, all you sexy, sexy beasts, Welcome back to Talk Dirty To Me, the podcast where a bunch of friends with a bunch of friends with a bunch of different perspectives on kink, fetish and sex talk Dirty To One Another. And this is part two of our Monday Jones episode. Monday Jones is back with us and we got Tosin the kink oracle on the microphone today. I forgot our whole intro. I just realized that now.
Speaker 1:I didn't introduce anybody last time, I know this as well, but they know who we are right now. They know who we are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's fine, we're the same people. We didn't go anywhere yeah.
Speaker 1:Last time we chatted with Monday, we were taking a delightful jaunt down kink degradation lane and we hit one of my favorites that I never get to talk about, which?
Speaker 2:is what.
Speaker 1:And I've never like encountered another person who's like experienced with it, and that is raci.
Speaker 2:Or willing to talk about it, or willing to talk about it, it's racial degradation.
Speaker 1:So for everybody who just freaked out listening, I'm black, it's fine, we're going to be okay. All right, everybody take a deep breath, we're going to be fine. Everybody take a deep breath. If you're listening, your buttholes got real clenched up. All right, it's fine. The thing that I want everybody to keep in their head when we're talking about this is it has become very common in kink conversations for you know, women to be submissive and enjoy being beat by men, which is a problem. Domestic violence wise, but fine. Kink in the bedroom wise. We've like, we've had that discussion. We've worked through that discomfort. The same thing applies from what we're talking about here. I understand, we all know racism is bad. It shouldn't be mean to people because of the color of their skin. But there are fun parts to it that feel good, the power dynamic that is fun to play around with oh, I need temperatures already rising.
Speaker 2:I'm taking up my hoodie.
Speaker 1:Check off the hoodie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you are right. You are right. It's in this subculture that has been developed with BDSM and kink, we've made a lot of these things that aren't politically correct. We've fetishized them and exploited them in different ways, and when you talk outside of the subculture of BDSM about something like a big black cock, it gets thrown in your face that the word black is being brought into it. Like wait, wait, wait, yeah, like how dare me? I have a whole drawer full of big black cocks.
Speaker 1:I got a couple in a bag and attached to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I attached to you. I mean I think I ended with a bang by saying something like oh, I would wanting to like make a kidnapping movie where I kidnap a trans black woman, and that was probably like a smack in the face for some people to hear. It's at the same time, like these, like I was saying, like these are things that we're not talking about. We have, like, in sex work, they have the highest murder rate with trans black women. Don't quote me on this statistic, because this is a statistic I looked up like years ago as well. I would feel like it's still probably fairly high, though I don't know, and something tells me it probably has something to do with a lot of shame, guilt and judgment around, especially like the people, the Johns going and seeing these, this group of providers in the sex world. That's what I could come up with. And so what about? So? What about you? What about it? I mean, those stats aside your fantasy specifically about kidnapping a trans black woman. I think my fantasy about that is more about just the shock factor oh my God, she did that that kind of factor. I still want to do a kidnapping script. It's in the works right now. It is not a. The victim is not black, it's not a trans woman either, but I do have a counterpart in the script that is a black woman and her and I do play some. We poke fun at each other in some racial ways, especially with me being Native American and her being black. So we're also. We also know that we're doing it in a safe environment with a film that is dedicated to King can BDSM and it's going to film festivals also dedicated to King can BDSM.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah, I think that my fantasy around it was just more of like let me get the off from the people. Yeah, but this, this shit, is real, and I have to tell you something that was really funny. After a week ago, after we ended our recording with that bang, right, I do, I do night flirt, which is sex, sex, what is it? Phone sex or whatever. Every call that I had between now and then was all about racial and interracial sex. What Really so, okay, I was like what the hell was the energy out there? And they just knew I would be willing to do this.
Speaker 1:So they felt the call from the soul and knew that you were the place to go.
Speaker 2:They're like my time is now. I can feel it. Dial the number, Dial the number. So I didn't even know racial degradation was a thing. Oh yeah, until recently, because I'm you know, I'm relative. I feel like everything's a thing, isn't it? This is what I'm learning Everything is a thing. And I and I had never considered, yeah, racial degradation before, and now it seems like it's a huge subculture and nobody talks about it because it's so taboo, it's so taboo.
Speaker 2:It must be hard to find too. I like I wonder if there's somebody out there that's like oh my God, I have a kink right. Like they just thought they were a racist asshole or something, but it turns out they're like oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, I honestly I feel bad for like. If there's like a white, this man that's out there who's kink is being a racial degradation top, I don't, I don't know how he's going to make it Like and and like genuinely a good person, like a good person in life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I was like I don't know what you find, Monday Jones, you find there's one magical person out there for you that you can. You know, if he's a top, he's got to find a.
Speaker 1:he's got to find a black person who wants to be oh yeah, that's harder, hold on. And then I'm like, how do you go? How do you go about that? Find me Hi, I'll do it. How do you know about that? Listen to the podcast.
Speaker 2:You know, I think I think it goes both ways, right? You know, there's the person that wants to be peed on and the person that wants to pee on them, and then they find each other.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then you put it out in the universe. It shows up Apparently. I I mean every phone call off a night's last week was like one of the calls. He wanted me to pick him off the plantation or pick him out of a lineup for my plantation and I was just like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, this is where we're going. Okay, we have five minutes, all right, let's go yeah.
Speaker 1:And I so you know, in probably through the episode I spent some time being like how do we get here? What do I like about it? I was like I think it's the thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to ask you.
Speaker 1:So I. So the first. The first thing was I was like okay, why do people like being? Why is it a sexy time to do degradation scenes in the first place? So I've done it both as a top and a bottom. And okay. So I was thinking about it degradation wise, why do I like it? I've done it both as top of the bottom. So as a top it's usually as a service thing, right, like I can tell that that is the way that a person drops into, like silencing their whatever noises around them, like that is the way that it does, that does it for them and so being made to feel small being racially degradated like quiet their mind for this one.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about degradation in general. So like, okay, quiet, so mine. And it's just like you know, if you know, I'm in a situation where someone is telling me that I'm worthless and I'm only good for this thing and I'm like a piece of shit and I should be licking toilets like, and I can like commit to that. Then, like, all of the worries of my life are gone, like I'm just to be used for this thing. So that's, delivering that piece to someone is pleasant to me. On the other side, it's it's for like. For me it has to being degraded in general, not racially. Is does it two things? One is the same. It's just like if you're being mean to me, then I can like kind of like quiet my whole brain and then I'm just experiencing that.
Speaker 1:I also enjoy the dichotomy, because my personal favorite is being able to masturbate while being degraded in, because that means the person who's degrading me is also paying attention to the fact that I'm like I'm like I'm being attended to while I'm masturbating and there's this fun game in my head. It was like, well, you're saying all these mean things, that I'm disgusting, but you're still here watching me do this. I enjoy that dissonance a lot, and the other, the other half of it, is like I spent a lot of my time where people were being like tactful in their rejection of me and it made more sense in my head that I was like well, it would. Just it feels more like you wish you could call me like a fat bitch and that's why you don't want to talk to me, and so being able to like externalize that experience feels a lot better to me.
Speaker 3:Wait, and so you externalize it.
Speaker 2:Wait. So if somebody's rejecting you, you would prefer that they racially degrade you instead of reject you Like. Is that my understanding? Yes, that's how you externalize it.
Speaker 1:Still talk. Still talk about just degradation in general. But, yes, so like when I was younger, I got rejected a lot and then it was all the things that was like it's not you, it's me and I don't know. I'm just not in a place of religion right now. All these different things, which easily could all be true.
Speaker 2:But really what you wanted was you're disgusting, I was just like I have no interest in you.
Speaker 1:It felt as painful as if someone was saying that Right, and so now to have the experience of like externalizing that and being like in a situation where my rejection is this very, very cruel thing that just feels nice to do, to like to climax, to like externalizing that experience. And then an added benefit when it is someone that I know and I care about, I very, very much enjoy the dissonance of like. For example, you and I, who have been friends for 10 years, to go into a place where we commit to being really awful to each other is, in its own way, a beautiful extension of our friendship. Right that we're so tight that we can play a scene where we are being convincingly awful to each other, or an accepting awfulness and like. That feels romantic and beautiful to me. So, with that foundation of degradation, having that being like I, like all of those level ups that come from the dissonance of that, you know you take it to another level with racial degradation, which is like the same type of thing, like it's like.
Speaker 1:I've experienced many situations in my life where people are being racist to me, I, I, and they're hiding in there, not being real about the situation. It would be very nice to externalize that experience in its entirety. Doing it with people who I know, who care about me and are not racist, who can commit to doing that in a, you know, ridiculous and violent and wild way, will be fun to climax to like. Inside of that. That human dissonance is wonderful and I think a lot of it has to do with like people who are. A thing that I've noticed with really kinky people is that they enjoy novel intensities and so, like most kinky people, I know the things they did 10 years ago were way less intense than the things they do now. Because you keep searching for this like new dissonance to experience to climax.
Speaker 1:And so that's since. Racial degradation is this taboo that a lot of people are not into. I offer myself a whole new world of like types of intensities and dissonances I can get into because everybody's scared of it, and so that's appealing to me, and just the way that I process things emotionally, like I'm going to have a great time If, if I'm not making you uncomfortable, we can get as bad as you want.
Speaker 2:And you said some key words there, like consent and like feeling safe with the person, like those are. Those are key things on playing in any at any spectrum of this, like at, or any like level of it consent.
Speaker 1:Like, please agree about it, Be honest with yourself, right? So, like you know, I tell people that I'm in degradation scenes with like don't make fun of my teeth, right, because breaks past the enjoyment part that hits for some reason. It hits a corner that I'm like now I do feel made fun of and I don't like I can't separate that we're playing a game and so know those things about yourself or if that the or the finding your voice or your boundaries before going into a scene like that and feeling good about being like oh, I'm, oh, I'm not having fun anymore especially as a bottom like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to think about. What is it that I like about degradation scenes just in general, or humiliation, because I kind of I feel like they kind of go, kind of go a little bit hand in hand, right. And then, what is it about the racial part? So I don't think I personally would have. I don't think I personally would have decided to play in the race part If it wasn't for somebody else bringing it to my attention. I don't think it would have been a place that I personally would have gone to on my own. But I don't know, because it was. It was approached to me first before I went there.
Speaker 2:But I will say you're so correct on the, the people who have been playing like been doing this for a long time. The novelty does wear off. Again. You do start looking for the harder edge, the. You look for how far, how far can we push it? I have a copy over here that's teething on me. I'm talking is there's a gateway kink? And eventually you work your way up, just like drugs. Just like drugs, that's true, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But degradation, I think, for me. I was, I was raised with it. So I mean I'm just going to probably say, I hypothesize that my degradation has a lot to do with just my nature, nurture of how I was raised. I watched my mom constantly Dagger, get my father in front of us, just you know, and call, call him names, you know when she was pissed or upset or if they were fighting. Oh yeah, my parents didn't hide much from us growing up. So it's like I, I saw, I was probably you know, I witnessed a domestic violence, a majority of my home life being brought up, and I'm saying that super casual as well, cause I didn't know any different. Yeah, I didn't know it was. That was abnormal, that was just. That was just my home. That's how people were with one another. Yeah, it's like if they were mad or if I'm well, if they're mad, they screamed, they yelled, they threw things. There wasn't a lot of like emotional, emotional maturity in my home, so I'm sure that a lot of like even my the gateway into BDSM. I thought it was normal. In a way, I do I I'm wondering.
Speaker 2:I find this is like a relatively uneducated statement. In my experience as far, I find that people want specific kinks they experienced in a traumatic way in their youth and I would love to know the science behind that, or like the brain, like what, like you escaped a terrible situation and now you go seek that situation out in a safe capacity. You know, I would like to see that too, but we're going to have to probably also see sex work come to a point society where it's more susceptible and accepted and and where people can actually put together case studies showing this. This is something like this is actually one of my next writing assignments is to start putting together these case studies of people that I've been working with over the last decade and how we've been able to work through this nature nurture shit. That's fucked us up. Right the Corp.
Speaker 2:Punishment to children to spanking, right for as a punishment, working through that shit as an adult, and how BDSM can be the catalyst for that. But but we don't have. We don't. I'm working in a world that doesn't even have regulations, where I have to be in hiding and Majority of the population doesn't even take my work serious. It boggles of mine because I feel like if it was, a safe space was created, like the quantity of facts and healing and you know mental processes, it's just the information that would come to light by allowing it to be studied in In a health way. It's just like the secrets that are hidden behind the behind kinky doors. When I just decide.
Speaker 2:Western medicine a little fucked up though. We're just getting to the point where and even though in psychology, mindfulness is taught in Western psychology but we don't fixate on it, we fix on the talk part, we forget about the mindfulness, the somatic part. And they just started coming out with case studies where we're a neuroscientist I can't remember his name right now, but he started doing MRIs of people's brains at the beginning of Doing mindfulness, of psychotherapy, so doing talk therapy plus the mindful. They would do an 18 month program and they would actually take a picture of the brain at the beginning of the 18 months and Then see how it developed at the end of it. With just adding mindfulness into talk therapy. Now think about if you actually added the role playing or the acting out, the Physicality to it on how fast that would speed up the process of, like the rewiring.
Speaker 1:Or if we use plant medicine to and not just fucking prescriptions to block out the rewiring of the brain, my own personal success of like Eating people out while they talk through things, plus the scientific success of EMDR.
Speaker 1:Right in EMDR is this idea of like tapping your body while you talk through certain trauma so that you can really social in areas Like how is it not in an obvious next jump that people come up with mechanisms for king therapy to work through particular traumas? Because, like my Hypothesis for why it is so prevalent that people, people's kings usually are born out of traumas that they had, is the theory that I run with about human beings in general is that we are, we are a thousand piece puzzle pieces and you know one of those puzzle pieces in black and those puzzle pieces I play piano. One of those puzzle pieces is I have a deep voice and the. Usually the problem and in most issues that arise in human existence Comes from a poor grouping of puzzle pieces that shouldn't be grouped together Like you shouldn't make it within one puzzle, you mean or?
Speaker 1:things like between look at the puzzle piece that says I'm black and Then you think that means I have 26 other puzzle pieces, when that puzzle piece does not decide anything else. So funny of your other. So I think about that also with like traumatic experiences. Right, there's a lot of things that happened in them and so, like the like, my go-to racial degradation fantasy is, you know, either working somewhere or being an employee employee of a racist boss that I know is racist, who's like mad at his mad at his wife, and because he's upset, he's like starts being like increasingly more and more rude to me and Getting to the point where he's like starting to say, like racial slurs and all these things about how I'm doing a bad job, I get upset with him about it and be like it was like, hey, you can't talk to me like that, and then he kind of like kicks me down and like, because you can't get that from his wife and so that the the dissidents of like he needs like the service I'm going to provide orally Because that's not what he's getting and he feels like he can take it Because he feels superior to me as a white person, right, like that's like one of my go-to fantasies. I think about that Like auto erection, super into it yeah, I would pay somebody money to pull it off right now. And I think about why, like what, why, what about all that is good, right, like? I've been in situations where people get upset and when I try to stand up for myself, they immediately jump to racial slurs. That's not fun, right, that's not fun to do in real life, especially not an employed situation.
Speaker 1:I don't like most of the puzzle pieces involved with that. I do like the Power dynamic shift, right Like there's there. There's a puzzle piece that's involved in the situation where I find myself Actually powerless because this person has enough power over me to like make decisions for me. That's why it's in a job situation, because it's like I don't lose my job. So there's certain things I'm not gonna do. I enjoy that game, that one puzzle piece of it. I don't like the other 99 where I'm gonna lose my job and I'm gonna have money and I'm gonna do the thing and so, and then, you know, I take the situation of being like you know, you know, for kick down and forcefully Facebook's right, I'm a tiny bit of a masochist. I enjoy Pain. So there's another puzzle piece I can add I I'm orally fixated like I super, super enjoy Anything I'm gonna do with the world sex. There's another puzzle piece there.
Speaker 1:I like servicing sexual desperation in general, right. So you know, my favorite sexual experiences that I can think of usually have to deal with Fulfilling a fantasy or a need that somebody desperately needed fixed or at that point in time. So you take all those puzzle pieces together and like an enraged, racially motivated overtaking to get a release that they needed. Via my oral fixation are six puzzle pieces that in the, in the real-life scenario where that would happen, come with Thousands of women that are bad, that I don't want. But if I could create a scenario where I kind of just keep all of the things that I would enjoy, I want to do that right.
Speaker 1:And especially if the reason I realized I like those puzzle pieces is because of several different types of traumatic experiences, then it's also. It's also an uncomfortable feeling again, speaking for myself, not speaking for other people as an uncomfortable feeling to have a traumatic experience, especially a sexually dramatic experience, and there be a pieces of it that you're like. I really, really liked it. Right, get out. I'm speaking from experience, one like I found myself in a situation where I don't know If this person was, like you know, from a good place, engaging in right racial degradation. I don't know if I was just like hate crime in place. I was at.
Speaker 3:Or not like.
Speaker 1:I was physically. I felt physically safe because the person smaller than me and if, like it, really wanted to escalate, I could deal with the situation and there was no way they could have brought like weapons into the area we were in. But you know that person could have followed me home that person. There's lots of situations that could have happened. It could have been bad.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know I walk away from the situation being like that was bad or could have been bad, but I loved it. I'm gonna think about this day for the rest of my life and that discipline is interesting. So then that becomes like, well, I should just go ahead and create scenarios safely to in, to feel that, to feel what I felt, rather than Environment.
Speaker 2:My question for you is do you and this is, somebody had asked me this at one one time, so that's why I'm in I it came around to ask you Do you think that you liked it and got aroused because the the person Initiated in it was aroused and you were in passing the arousal, or do you think it was genuinely yours?
Speaker 1:Oh, it in the scenario I'm talking about, where I didn't know it was hate crime night is genuinely mine. It was genuinely because I've been in situations before like you know, grinder, it happens a lot where they'll still go there. They'll be like oh, are you gonna be? Are you gonna be my little, my little black slave boy?
Speaker 3:and I'm like like and I can tell that they're into it like I can.
Speaker 1:I can feel that this is what I've been waiting for all my life and I'm like, yeah, yeah, you like.
Speaker 2:You can make so much money.
Speaker 1:Sure, I don't know. You know, slaves generally don't make the money. That was a bad joke, everybody. But you know, in that situation it was like I think it's because it was coupled with the thing that I enjoy the month most right, which is the dissonance of this person is masking, probably, their you know, repressed homosexuality, and they're they're, they're masking it with, like, oh, I hate them doing this. I'm only doing this to take advantage of you and you like, you, like this white dick, don't you? You little n-word boy, and like all this, like I can tell that they're using that to make it okay that they're actually Experiencing something that they really wanted to experience for a long time, as they'd like having a sexual encounter with another man, and so that dissidence is, with my favorite, like that's the game that I love, the most.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that, and you and you said also the power, the, the dynamic shift is, like you know, culturally you find yourself in that situation.
Speaker 1:You're already like you kind of have to be submissive in real life. If a white person starts being racist to me in public, I have to defer to them, or it becomes a much more dangerous situation and and so that mechanism like that code switch implemented sexually, is like Fun. It's more fun than having to do it in real life.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, you get to do it in a safe environment. You get to act it out, you get to use. You get to use these, not PC language.
Speaker 1:Yeah, safely and that's a few too. It's like it is freeing. A joke that I make all the time is. I was like, if I Let all white people say the n-word, can I pick another thing that white people can stop doing? Do not be racist, because that one's not that big a deal, right, or?
Speaker 2:Oh, you're like you're trading. Everybody can say the n-word. If you stop doing this other actually racist thing that nobody's about it or anybody I'm doing yeah you got it.
Speaker 1:Or like I was like no, I please. I was like everybody. Stop telling Racist people what's racist, just like. So let's talk about anymore, so we can just know. Everybody say what they mean and think, please, just so we can catch it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's get it out there and it's like you know, I have to.
Speaker 1:I have to convince a lot of people in the real world because they're used to PC culture that like nah for real the old man in gas stations walk up to my, my black family and they're like get out of here, we don't like you around these parts, stop, so that really happens in real life.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that really does happen.
Speaker 1:I was like and I wish that it was just like oh you know, if I have to play that game Clothed at a gas station, let's just do. Let's have way more fun doing it.
Speaker 2:That's a great way to look at it. Yeah, it's also your way of fucking racism exactly, exactly. All right so. So degradation I was mentioning degradation and kind of humiliation go together, did, and we were also just talking about how, when entering into the cake world, the people kind of tread lightly right. They start slowly. So did you start with humiliation Before degradation came into play, or do they? Do they mix for you as well?
Speaker 1:So I think like my journey into like doing degradation stuff as a top was because People like cared about it, wanted it right, and I, you know, I just started and same thing I started at like from the top side. I started off pretty tame. I was like you're, you're a bad girl, you got to do with. Daddy wants right. And now I'm fully comfortable being like You're the worthless piece of shit that I'm never gonna talk to any again and I don't look at me, don't talk to me, and if you want to eat today, Coming up with better right.
Speaker 1:And so, and just like getting being able to go to like meaner and meaner and meaner places as a bottom, I just found myself being like you know, oh, I enjoy. You know, you know, j O I's that. Have you know? Small penis humiliation in it, I enjoy.
Speaker 1:Now I enjoy you know what's a joke off instructions, which Monday you have an excellent one, yeah, and the you know. And then, like I've had, I had a friend who does content and and they were like, and I was like they had done one that was had like Some racial tinge is to it. That were just like, oh, you just want white girls to be looking at you. Whoa, I got one of the one of the Content pieces I've made getting pegged by one of my my friends, who I've known since middle school. You know we play with that a lot and like it was like you, like this white girl sitting on your face, and like you're be a, be a good little black boy, bend over for me, right, and like that's fairly tame right. It was just kind of like yeah, I am white, you are black. We are mentioning that while we do this we are Boy.
Speaker 2:That stuff sells, though, on the amateur corn.
Speaker 1:Is like half my size, and so there's like zero out there for like relatively small white woman pegging a very large black man, a big black man. People like it.
Speaker 2:That's really gold if people could get that. Hold that. Yep, well, I got the black. So, casey, do you like degradation and humiliation, or is this an area that, like, is not for you top or bottom Like? Oh no, I love to top it. I don't, though I don't know how to get into it. You like, you would want to top it, but you don't know how to get into it. Is that what I heard? Yeah, okay, you want to top it, but you don't know how to get into it.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, while we were talking about it, I was thinking of a book that I read and I pulled it off my bookshelf because it's right in front of me. It's called Enough to Make you Blush Exploring Erotic Humiliation, and it's by Princess Kylie, and she is a pro-dom. She actually does, she's a great pro-dom. She does financial domination, humiliation and degradation. She puts on like dom classes as well. I'm like promoting her a little bit here while we're talking, but it's a great book to get broken into or get introduced to humiliation and degradation as an erotic tool in the bedroom or outside the bedroom. Okay, I'm gonna find that book. Enough to make you blush.
Speaker 1:I feel like there's a lot of people who would love to figure out a safe avenue to get out and experience certain things that they want, but the only thing you're gonna get in front of you, the most taboo thing, that's mainstream, that's easy to find right now is steps of blinking things, which is just like it's an incest, came with extra steps and I was just like everybody just did it. I was like just admit it, let's stop playing around, all right, nobody.
Speaker 2:I love it when porn producers hit me up on that one. I see that you do kinky content. Well, you do a step sister or step son stuff. I'm like that's not kinky to me, no, that's just some vanilla sex with us using some supposedly incestual words.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I was just like. You know what I was like. I was made to joke with somebody. I was like people don't like steps of everything porn because they're in incest. People like steps of everything porn because they were into convenience. I was just like the reason it's appealing is because being like I'm gonna have sex with lives here.
Speaker 2:It's just right there, just already right there.
Speaker 3:I have to get on the wall.
Speaker 2:It's convenient, it's convenient until it's inconvenient. Right yeah, I have a convenience kink. I remember when I did some online dating, like years ago, I wouldn't date anybody that was more than three miles away from my house.
Speaker 1:I mean right.
Speaker 2:So I guess I was into a little bit of a convenience kink, I mean you and your grinder have me spoiled, you know I. Oh God, we'll grind her Just next door, yeah.
Speaker 1:It was like 4,000 feet away. No, that's a little too far.
Speaker 2:I gotta get my car for that one.
Speaker 1:I'm not waiting for it to have been in three to get here. It's too long.
Speaker 2:That's too long. What have?
Speaker 1:you done by then.
Speaker 2:So do you online date? Do you have? Or maybe I should ask what your dating preferences? Are you monogamous, non-monogamous? Yeah, any of both of you. Are you guys?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Mike.
Speaker 2:Want to answer the question.
Speaker 1:Mike is.
Speaker 2:She's turned the tables. I know I did a little bit.
Speaker 1:Mike's configuration is what I like to call behind the veil configuration, though.
Speaker 2:Behind the veil. Okay, what does that?
Speaker 1:mean.
Speaker 2:What's your situation?
Speaker 1:ship I have a partner that we've been with for eight years. We got two kids. We lived together. When we got together, we were like non-monogamous poly as we went through things and healings happened and mental health issues arose. It became difficult for them to hear about the extracurricular activities. There's a rough period of me leaving partners that I've been with for a while, and so the current situation that we're in right now is you do whatever you want. Please let's wrap a veil around the house and our family and our kids To the best of your ability. Just make we'll just play the scene out that you're not seeing anybody as much as you can, I'll be reasonable about it, but other than that, do whatever you want, Be safe, don't get us killed or anything like that.
Speaker 1:And so with that you know probably I've got like a couple partners that I see regularly that are outside of that just roaming around for people with their bits in their mouth Is that you, casey, are your bits in your mouth.
Speaker 2:Your oral fixations Feed it. We want to experience the world through your mouth. I get it. So, casey, are you monogamous or non-monogamous? You know that's a great question. I mean, I'm still figuring it out. Well, you know, most of my life was pretty dictated by societal norms, you know.
Speaker 2:So, most of my relationships until this point have been monogamous and some monogamous. But in starting this podcast and being an adult, I'm like maybe I should try at the moment monogamy or polyamory or something, I don't know. I think it depends on the person that I end up seeing or whatever. But also my opinion of men right now is pretty bleak. So, oh, a little jaded about, they're a god damn animal. Yeah, they're all. Yeah, humans can be nasty people, for sure, and those ones that usually are the opposite sex can be the ones we want to throw fists at that we can get in the air. They're like oh, why do you frustrate me? Do you mostly date men too? Then I do. I wish I was gay or bi, but you're not, you're straight. It is not consensual that I am straight, but I am straight. Yeah, I've tried it on several times.
Speaker 3:But this is no, I'm non-consensual straight, I did, I tried it once.
Speaker 2:I tried it once, and in the middle of it I was like oh, I'm straight, I've learned a lot about myself in this moment. But sometimes I fantasize about women Like I would like. I don't have a relationship with women, but I would like get down with a woman. That seems reasonable to me, though, but the idea of partnering with one seems just not fulfilling for me in that fashion.
Speaker 1:I mean that kind of is similar to me from my same-sex attractions. I don't know that I've run across a man that I have a crush on and want to build a life with, and I don't know what that.
Speaker 2:I haven't met one either.
Speaker 1:I think it's a common problem Same, and so I was like does that? Mean I'm not gay and I'm like no, it just means most men suck my whole political platform. If I ever become president is OK. The day I become president, I'm signing an executive order.
Speaker 2:When you become president Tosen, when you become president, We'll see how this goes Signing it.
Speaker 1:I'll write you on a ballot Signing an executive order that all men, including myself, are getting shipped to an island and are excommunicated from societal life, and the only way that you can be reintegrated back into life is 50 non-men have to sign a petition to reintegrate you. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:And I love this plan because it's like I feel comfortable that 50 non-men will allow me back into life. If you don't, that's my whole point, and then we'll just have reeducation programs and classifications while you're on the island. We'll give it back to you. I also have a plan that I think you have to earn your. Anybody socializes a man have to earn their penises.
Speaker 2:So I love this. That was just what I was saying. I would probably do all Chassis devices.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, I was president, everybody gets all men in Chassis devices. You're going to get locked up you don't have to go all over your penises anymore. And until you pass all of these same thing, you have to get a petition to get your penises unlocked.
Speaker 2:Your key. Get the key back to it.
Speaker 1:Same thing Go, get another license, like the dangerous way with which men are wielding their members feels like that. We should have some regulation on it. There should be penis use tests, unlike basic consent understandings.
Speaker 2:Understanding on how they use it. Make sure that you know this is one thing that I do to get to make sure that men aren't coming to me with just their boner is that I tell them because they think is what I've noticed is that they want to see you right now, right when they have the boner. It's now, now. They can't never do it. There's never any pre-planning or like forward thinking. But my response is like OK, well, why don't you let the boner go down? And if you still like I'm still floating in your mind tomorrow and there's no boner, then why don't you reach out to me again and we'll get you on the schedule.
Speaker 2:There is no, now I'm not here to take. You're not that entitled that I'm going to take care of your dick now, if I'm having that urge.
Speaker 1:that's usually why I go with, like, purchasing content. I was just like if I'm particularly intrigued by you and I need to deal with it this second and I'm like you know what's the least amount of way I can bother you content and I'm just like can you send my name? Alone for 14 seconds and I'll give you whatever amount of money you want and I'll move along.
Speaker 2:I love the custom contents. Yes, yes, this is definitely changed to porn only fans and loyal fans and and then, like, the custom content that you can request now from your amateur porn stars has really, has really basically given a lot of freedom for a lot of people to become amateur porn stars Been a big, huge movement in porn. This isn't, this was not how porn was made in the 90s. I mean, it was a huge production set in the 90s. You had lighting. You didn't have just an iPhone in the corners.
Speaker 3:I'm filming you from an iPhone fucking your boyfriend, and I put in bad lighting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, like most of my my go to set. You know, I say I like my porn farm to table and so my collection of grass red range videos of me making somebody else climax or videos of someone climaxing will say my name Like that's, that's like my go to, will get it done every time.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I don't know, do you watch porn to Casey? I do watch porn, you do. Do you have go to as well? I don't have. I know I don't have go to porn. I like should save them, but for some reason that's how you get to star.
Speaker 1:I forget to start them.
Speaker 2:I'm afraid I'll be discovered. I'm like I don't you leave it up.
Speaker 1:I can tell you your phone. You're like yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't even know my life. I do watch porn, I don't. I don't watch porn very often. Sometimes I'll go through phases where I'm like oh yeah, porn exists. I'm laying in bed right before I go to sleep, let's do that. And then it's been like 60 to 90 minutes scrolling for something that isn't through that isn't horrific and that works for me. And you just find like 30 seconds in one video where you're like this is the one, and then it's over very quickly and I'm like, why did?
Speaker 3:I not just go to bed. I could have been in bed.
Speaker 2:90 minutes ago I've been in bed, and 90 minutes ago Instead, I've been horrified by the size of the penis that went into that, but without loop, like We'll have. Nightmares Make me cringe too. I just end up counting the number of women that don't have orgasms.
Speaker 1:Like, I'm just like oh, you didn't care about that. I can't do it all.
Speaker 2:Everywhere. No, no, Sounds like your kink is making women come though Tyson.
Speaker 3:It's a problem. It's a problem. Sounds like a problem to the women. I don't have a problem, no.
Speaker 2:You're making come at all. I'd say that's a solution, sir, Do you? Do you remember like what your first porn was that you were exposed to? You know? I think we briefly talked about this on a previous podcast.
Speaker 1:Oh, on another podcast. No, no.
Speaker 2:It's been a while, though, and we have new listeners to say it again. My first porn exposure was so. We all grew up in our parents' house, and I just remember I don't know how I knew Obviously we went to school, so people talk or whatever, but I would get up late at night when my parents were asleep, and I would go to the TV and like find the like whatever sketchy channel comes up at one morning, yeah, and I would like sneak watch it with the volume all the way down, because the TV is in, like the upstairs, which is like an open. There's like no walls to the downstairs, right, and my parents' bedroom is down there. I would be horrified if I was discovered, you know. So it was like, yeah, volume always down, it was dark. I was like I'm sure you were not the only one. Yeah, definitely not the only one. What about yours, tyson, do you remember?
Speaker 1:what yours was my first. I know what my like first porn era was like, specifically where the first one was. I think it was the landing page, starletscom, as the was like. Just because like that was dial up and it was like because that site was cast, it loaded quickly. But my first era was my dad had the only computer in the house that had an internet connection, which was in his office. I had a computer in my room but it didn't have internet connection. I also had a 200 stack of CDRs, so I would I would go at night I would spend.
Speaker 1:I would spend like one day in the office downloading a ton of clips on a CDRs and I would spend the next day like enjoying that CD in my room. And so there's a funny story with I mean, I, my dad's not going to listen to this, but my dad used to have a CD. But my dad used to have a CD case of like the music we listened to in a car for road trips and, like I said, I'm acoustically stimulated, so I did have a CD that was just audio of women climaxing.
Speaker 2:Now I have a, I had a marking system for it.
Speaker 1:So I knew, like, what it was and what things were, and I don't.
Speaker 2:And so your dad had the.
Speaker 1:CD case of things that are in there and I don't remember exactly how I made the mistake of having those CD, that CD, in there. I think it was like a situation where I was learning something from something in that CD case. Musically, it learned how to play. No, okay, I used to practice improv, improv jazz with a Miles Davis CD that my dad used to listen to. So I just had like hot swapped the porn CD with the Miles Davis CD to listen to it, to work, and when I took the Miles Davis CD I'm putting it back in the case. I didn't remake the hot swap. My and I see my dad open the CD case and go to grab it and to put that, to put that in, because he was like, oh, what is this? And I just like grab the CD case and like throw it out of the car window so that like I had to go get out of the car and pick it up and then I just broke.
Speaker 2:And then I broke that CD and then I go, can't listen to it now.
Speaker 1:Dang, this CD broke. I guess we're never going to find out what it was, to this day, your dad's like.
Speaker 2:What was on that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, now that I think about it, it was, it wasn't, it wasn't good. I'm pretty sure my dad was like nevermind, I don't want to know.
Speaker 2:I don't want to know. That's how you react. I don't want to know what that is. Throw it out the window.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that was my, that was my first point.
Speaker 2:I'm not much of a porn watcher myself, but I do remember my first porn video that I saw was two gay men and it was a threesome and a woman. So it was two men and a woman, but the men were paying. You could tell that they were gay and they were completely paying attention to each other and, just like every time this woman would try to get into like joining threesome, she would just get rejected. I don't know why it was so hot to me to just like watch this woman keep getting rejected by these gay men going on.
Speaker 2:And still, to this day, I love gay clubs and gay men and I don't mind getting rejected. You know, slightly turned on when they reject me, I'm like, oh, I want to try that. No, that's funny. People give like all the credit to hot, to like having women make out, that being a thing, but like no, we don't have hot dudes making out, and how great.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Oh, my first magazines were always the gay male magazines, where they're always like. They're like chiseled and and worked out sweaty in the six packs and just muscles everywhere.
Speaker 1:One of my one of the hottest things I've ever done was a black couple messes me on Grindr because the wife wanted to watch her husband blow somebody and like it was. I cannot begin to describe how marvelously hot it is to like have a woman watching her husband masturbating while he's blowing me, and then her by. The wife and myself came at the same time.
Speaker 2:That was some impressive impathing of your sexual energetics.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was great. It was great and so it was mostly like I would say, more than like I came because she was coming quicker. I'm sure I was like, oh, that'll work, and she was kind of like hinting at the way that she wanted to treat her husband in that situation and I was like, oh, this is great, and so that was glorious.
Speaker 2:Wait, did you say it was a white couple? This was a black couple. A black couple. Okay, I was gonna say there's that racial component in there. Again, I will say that even the white guys that called me, or the white guys that called me on Night Flirt this last week, they also wanted me to like cook them with big black cock too, which I thought was cool. I didn't like it. And the black guys also wanted all sorts of stuff going on too. What?
Speaker 1:Tell me more Monday.
Speaker 2:Oh well, they usually weren't like they weren't, I think it was. The one scene was where I was basically picking him up out of a lineup and how he was going to be my best slave and how all my children were mixed colored and my white husband had to like, just deal with it.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, that's a winner. No, I there's. That's great.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna bring him home to my plantation. How he secretly wins against the plantation owner, yeah, yeah. And how he fucks the plantation's owner's wife and like has all you know the black kids running around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean one of the one.
Speaker 2:I thought it was great. I was leaning heavily into it. He had the best like eight minutes on his offer I wanna get paid later.
Speaker 1:Man, one of the. So I didn't even know what movie this is, but this situation sparked, like the if I ever get into shoot shooting a racial degradation scene. It is something that I have thought about for a long time was like there's a. There's a movie that like Dule Hill plays of, like basically he's a farmhand but he's basically a slave to a white family, and like there's this flirtation that's going on with the wife and him where she like things keep breaking and Dule Hill will like show up and be like I can fix that and like that's like the trope that goes off in the movie.
Speaker 1:Like the window breaks, he's like I can fix that and he's like, oh, my pipe's broken, I can fix that. And then one day like she's crying and it was like I don't feel beautiful, I don't feel loved, and he just like takes the shirt off and he's like I can fix that, right. And then they're like they're in the other secret, like going to get in trouble and beating thing. And then like there's a scene where he's like getting whipped by the husband and the husband makes the wife watch while it's happening, but like Dule Hill is like looking at her being like with a face that says, don't worry, this is worth it, and I was like, oh, I love it, I love it, and so this, this made me.
Speaker 2:You said this was a hallmark movie, right I?
Speaker 1:think so. I just I'm kidding. It feels like a hallmark movie or like wherever they do seventh heaven at now, and this makes me think of this like part of this. I read a part of this I heard of in a book, but it was like, you know, a slave owner who had, who was had, was in love with one of his slaves.
Speaker 1:Like a male slave owner who was in love with one of his slaves, and I, like they were like Ronnie, viewing late at night and like they were trying to hide it, and I was like I want the more intense version of this, like the scene I think of all the time is they finally get caught Right, or he gets in trouble, like he's suspected of it.
Speaker 1:The slave owner is expected of it, and the only way he can get out of it is he has to like publicly whip this man he's in love with right, and because he like he has to do it in a way that's like not that's convincing, that like he's doesn't have like a section for this person, and so that beating is like a sexual encounter between the two of them, like as it goes along, because, like the sex that they have is like pretty rough anyway, and so I was like I want to, I want to build this scene, I want to build this like story that is culminates in that situation and and like the thing that sticks in my head is like I want the slave owner to come in his pants at the end of this whipping scene, like because they're having such like a mental connection with it as it goes along, like this is what we have to do and it's in front of everybody. And then it was like I'm like that sounds so hot to me. I'm like I'm into it.
Speaker 2:Do it. Let's film that I have. I have three things I can talk about. If we don't mind Like, if I like this, if I've been. What are the three things? Yes, do the three things, okay. First one is the oldest one.
Speaker 2:Since we've been inconsistently doing podcasts, I received this message on Instagram. Instagram strikes me and anytime, anytime, anytime, any unanimous person reaches out to me, I'm like you're fake, you're fake or you're not forthcoming or something. Anyway, this guy reached out to me. So, andre, oh, looks like that I'm at it. That I said whoops, this account has this. Okay, so I got.
Speaker 2:I got a random message from somebody that doesn't we don't know each other. He lives in Texas. He said hi, there ever met someone who was into your feet? I looked at it. I was in the middle of traveling for work. So I saw and I was like I don't have time for this right now and like it would be. You know, the reason I was like about it is because what I said before is people are like fake, they're not real, they want to take advantage. It's a scam and some capacity, right, yeah? So he saw that.
Speaker 2:I looked at it and then followed up I'd pay you to massage your feet. I didn't look at that for five weeks. This is the first time I'm looking at it right now. I think that's the first time I've seen this file. I think it's real. It's sus, though. He has 400 followers, two posts, but is following Six thousand and 40. That's a real person. Yeah, yeah, he's following that many, or that's how many are following him. He's following that many. He, oh yeah, that sounds like a real person then. Okay, well, sometimes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways, I love to get paid to have somebody massage my feet. But I didn't respond and I wanted to pull people on the podcast to see if it sounded real.
Speaker 2:What's the appropriate thing to say? What does one charge to get their feet massage? I have done this. I've actually have thrown foot parties. Oh yeah, I've been the host of foot parties and have foot models come in and men come in and purchase 15 minutes with them with private feet time. Amazing, oh, I don't even remember how this is like over. It's like pre-pandemic, so I can't remember. I think each girl had their own charging I used to do.
Speaker 2:This is an actual branded night called Foot Night. That's nationwide and they do the same thing in public like sex clubs and stuff in cities and they have like a foot night and do similar things. But this is a real gig. This is like something that people do. The foot fetish is up there. It's like up in the top 10 fetishes. Yeah, it's common, it's super common. It's obviously going to have to be what's your comfort level and then what's your? Do you have good communication skills on knowing how to negotiate and also how to put down your boundaries? Like sure you can massage my feet, but I don't want to give you a foot job, so there's my boundary. Yeah, or maybe that doesn't bother you.
Speaker 3:Well, this is why I looked it in was like side eyeing it.
Speaker 2:I was like you say you want to pay me for foot massage, but that's a loaded sentence and what that could. Generally, I'm finding what that means is can you please touch my penis? With your feet and then I'm going to have sex with you. Like is literally generally. You know, this is just the tip of the kinky iceberg. Yeah, it's like those boys that love to come see me and they're like. I've been watching them on porn and I want the scene to be like this and the whole scene is them just fucking me.
Speaker 3:And I'm like what you're watching, what that is, what that is what that is.
Speaker 2:That's not how that works. No, I mean, I'm usually like withholding it from you, not giving it to you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I have definitely paid for what I like to call leave no trace climates with foot stuff, which is basically is like I'm going to pay to give you a foot massage. Ignore me, do whatever you're doing. Watch TV, do something else. I you will like I can pretty discreetly make myself come in my pants while that occurs, like I literally just a week ago like I put.
Speaker 1:I put one of my partners to sleep, give them a foot massage with prior consent before this, and then just put a couple toes in my mouth and I was like. I was like I would.
Speaker 2:I love that you got kids and of course you got kids that before that and I love that your partner was like yeah, sure, put me to sleep, fuck on them Interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, casey, what I would say to you is, if you're seriously thinking about doing something like that, I would pull the conversation out of Instagram. Instagram looks at your, looks at all of your. They keep an eye on everything that's happening on their platform, including DMs, interesting, okay, I would not talk anything further about it. I don't know. Make an email address and tell them to go there if he's serious. Okay, is he, is he? Is he even in the same area?
Speaker 1:Is this the other thing Is that his? Oh, he is. Yeah, that was my first question.
Speaker 2:But then I looked at his account and was like, oh, it says he's in Texas. I'll give him a different email address, we'll pull it off. My other thing I saw my, excuse me, I saw my. I have a client who I come, who comes over to see me and she gets domestically disciplined.
Speaker 2:And I saw her recently and I I had a great experience because this time around she braided me like really hard. She braided me and she waited until the end of a four hour session and then I don't know what struck her, but she, just like I already had spent a really long time battling her and gaining her. Yeah, and she for some reason was like there was some conversation and she took a cue from it and she just started bradding the fuck out of me, to which my response was to just continue, like I was like are you gonna apologize? And she would say absolutely. She was like no, and then I would just I would paddle her to the point of tears or her being like stop, stop. And she'd stand up and be like are you gonna apologize?
Speaker 1:No, and she still wouldn't.
Speaker 2:And I spent so much time like gaining and like it, like mercilessly, mercilessly, and she would not. And two things happened. One is I also have this ebony hairbrush that is sweet, sweet sphango bottom, in Chicago bought for me, and it's got Boris hair needles on it. So I was using that hairbrush too and at some point I was like, because you know, sometimes you sphango somebody, you like, dig your nails into their sore, sore bottom, and it's the thing. So I was like you know what? Fuck my nails, I'm just gonna press this hairbrush into her red ass right now. And so I started sphangoing her with the brush side of the hairbrush and her skin is so thin and worn and there those are Boris hair needles that I just poke holes in her bottom.
Speaker 2:And she starts bleeding and I stop and I was like what have I done?
Speaker 1:But then I was like this is great, All you gotta do is apologize and your butt will stop bleeding, okay.
Speaker 2:Yep yeah. But then I was like, oh, you're bleeding now because you've been so naughty, and then I just kept doing it and it was awesome and I just had I hadn't had this in shows. It was a bloody mess and I hadn't had this. I had to, like, wash the sterilizing implements afterwards what you do anyways, but, like I, this is like a new level.
Speaker 1:Yes, a new level for you, it was like three rounds of cleaning. There was residue.
Speaker 2:But the experience I had was before I was kind of just doing it like people have play partners, and I didn't really it didn't really mean anything to me, but because how hard she braided and like we just like entered a zone of like literally playing, and I was like, oh, this is what people try to get to all the time. I didn't you know I'm, you know I'm only like hovering around the world of you know stuff like this, and I was like I was like I just had a really great time because she chose to be super bratty. It sounds like you've gotten some heads like a top, a top space and she got into a subspace with you, right Is that?
Speaker 2:what you're saying, yeah well, I got into she always gets into a top subspace, but I got into a top space because of her that I hadn't before and hadn't entered before. Yeah, I hadn't entered before. Before I was just doing a service to somebody and now I was like, oh my God, that was fun. I was doing what I wanted to do too. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I just, I just made a shit out of her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I had a good time. Yeah, but she did it at the very end of a session and she didn't apologize, so I was like you're coming back next week and we'll continue this punishment. So she came back for another two hours, like a week later.
Speaker 1:Yes, and it was and it was Did she ever apologize?
Speaker 2:Yeah, she apologized eventually but she kept ratting really hard and she was so sweet because my work right now for like three weeks I've been pulling all-nighters, it's been hellacious and I was tired and my apartment was in mess and she was so sweet. She like I made her clean my dishes and she did. And then she was like do you have a grocery list? And she went grocery shopping for me and she paid for them. I love it when that happens. I was like she's a jewel, she's the best. Yeah, it's great. Little house slaves are yeah. And then my other bit of news is I received a random Venmo.
Speaker 2:Somebody- I just gave you a gift.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a tribute.
Speaker 2:You're the best. How's this? It was money for permission to have a conversation, which is what I have on the top of my profiles. Please, if you actually want to have a conversation, you have to send this to the Cash app, and only two people out of all of the people that send me messages either read that or do it. And I got a random $10, which is not the amount I have, but I was like holy shit. So I like searched, like I'm also like how do I find this person? But luckily they put their name and it was on Fat Life. So when I found them on Fat Life and they hadn't even friend me yet or did they send me? No, they didn't even send me a message. They were just like here's $10, can we chat?
Speaker 2:That's top to you and I topped here, dude, and I sent them and I was like, permission granted, I sent a message just like, thank you so much for being respectful and sending your money. I'd be glad to have a conversation with you, and I was just, and then work was a shit storm so I didn't respond for five days or something. But I think it's a he in women's clothing who is a Spanko Bottom and saying that he is interested in having me discipline him and Spank him, and he just he sent me his latest message and it was super delightful Cause he was really honest. I was like you know, you can't see me, but there's a. You know there's a cost or tribute associated with it, and I'll put on my glasses to see what he said. One of the things he said was I understand and expect that there would be a tribute. I will be transparent about the fact that I am not financially well to do and that meeting this tribute would be a goal to work towards and not something I would have readily available to me. But that makes the prospect all the more desirable in my eyes. I will feel a sense of pride in earning this opportunity, which was just like.
Speaker 2:That's just one of the paragraphs that he wrote that were like fucking rock solid. I was like that is the correct way to say hey, I don't have a lot of money, yeah, yeah, like, cause, like people are normally, like you tell them what your rates are and they don't respond. Or you tell them what their rates are and they're like well, I don't have a lot of money, I'm like great, good for you. And he was, and like I was, I read this and I was like okay, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, there are, there are people out there that want to monetize, right, and charge people for this kind of play, which I mean, I just I made a career out of it, so not going to dock it at all.
Speaker 2:And then there's a lot of people out there that want to play for free. And then when you get the ones like if for me, when I get the ones that want to play for free, I send them to other places, I'm just like, no, I'm not, I'm a pay to play, mistress, even when, like I already shared with you, I charged my husband for telling all of you guys Like no, this is a lifestyle choice for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, that was yeah. So those are three things, kc, that you want to mention. Those are my three things. Yeah, you just hadn't given an update in a while. I liked your, your last Gemem, and that was very sweet. I wonder if he'll actually work towards it or if that was enough for him to just get off for the night. You know, yeah, we'll find out. I mean, so far he's, his messages have been well, he's well spoken and very polite. So I believe that he's real and genuine and we'll follow that Cause I can usually I usually go through my inbox and read them out loud. And toys like nope, that one's fake. Nope, that's a time waster. Nope, he's got a good radar in there and check him out. It sounds like good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he does. I got it. I had many years of purchasing content and activities and a lot of friends who have done like sex work and stuff, so like I can smell scammers now.
Speaker 2:You can feel the smell the scammers out there, yeah, and there's a lot of them, especially these this day and age. Yeah, there really are. It's more scammers and people who just want to like get a nut off for free by being dishonest or like what's the word being, like sus or whatever. Then, just so it sounds like KC you are dabbling into like charging for your service. Yeah, so the reason this podcast started is because I've always been interested in in doming and I and I was like let's make a public journey of this and I'll talk about my experiences and what I do, and I've had some pretty hilarious stories, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:Serrano pepper dick.
Speaker 3:But I Serrano pepper dick.
Speaker 2:It's also been a journey in me understanding my own worth and being not afraid to ask for, for what you are worth, I think, in what like, what like, what makes me feel good about offering my time in that capacity. And like. It's been a journey in me understanding what to expect from people and how to communicate clearly and boundaries, setting Boundaries and like, take care of it Like you think it's all about like because I don't.
Speaker 2:I'm not like I won't have sex with people, so I'm a non sex having dom leaning person. Yeah, and many people do that. But also the other half of the people are like what that's a thing. It like blows their mind that there's no sex involved and like yeah, yeah, that's totally a.
Speaker 3:thing.
Speaker 2:That's totally a thing Like go have sex with somebody else? Yeah, I didn't. I don't think that entered into my world until like, like and sex cause it's all sex, right, like to me it's all sex. Sure, the actual like penetration that's, I mean that's sex, but that's just a form of it. But I don't think that entered into like, into my horizon in the business until I'd been in here for five, maybe almost seven years, and then I was like, oh, maybe we want to try that, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So I tried it.
Speaker 2:It's a color I mean it's like it's a flavor.
Speaker 2:It's now available to me. We'll see, yeah, but I started out like with like femdom aspirations and I found out like I had a couple of like. I had just my first experiences with people who were really fucking hilarious and I realized that people have expectations of what a femdom is and femdoming actually takes a wide variety of accoutrement and space. And I don't have those accoutrements and I do not have that space. So I was like, ah, this is not conducive. Nor do like. I don't like I would love to pee on somebody. I have somebody that wants me to pee on them.
Speaker 2:This thing I will do no, not be shy. Oh, ok, no, it just hasn't worked out yet. We had a schedule and then he got sick or something, and then I, yeah, job. You haven't got to check that one off the list. Yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but like there's stuff I'll do.
Speaker 2:But I had a client I saw for all the preacher, the priest, whatever they would come over, and I could tell he had like he wanted more other than me. You know, I was banging him and putting a dog collar on him and doing the things I could within the confines of how I exist and I was like I cannot provide that and I don't know what to do with you now when you come over. I'm just like, well, we can do the same thing because that's what fits in my house.
Speaker 1:So eventually you'll be like don't fit in your house.
Speaker 2:Like a fucking. I don't have a bathtub, so it's hard to pee on something Right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no A puppy pee pads. Let's go to your pet store and get the puppy pee pads, lay them out on your floor, and then you can.
Speaker 2:It's disposable, then you just throw it away. This is genius shit. I'm trying to think I was like you have it's like you like this is the other thing Like people think that like a thumbdawm needs to have this big ass, huge dungeon to do all of this stuff. And I'm more of a domestic Dom and I used my house. I mean, I've had human cages in my living room and crosses on the wall, but I can still do the same doming Like you would.
Speaker 2:You'd ask, I think, the last time we were talking something about you. I'm the first person that you've ever came across that says that I am 24, seven, mm. Hmm, yeah, yeah, okay, I can't shut off my sadism, I can't shut off my dominance in, you know, out of the bedroom. I can't just shut it off. So of course, it's going to and it's not part mentalized. I'm just not. I'm not only a thumbdawm in the bedroom, mm. Hmm, it's everywhere. It's 24, seven, I see. So so you can use any space because it's up here, it's here, it's here that you're you're doing the domination.
Speaker 3:It's in your heart, it's your voice, it's your head.
Speaker 2:It's in your creativity of of the things that your, your activities, that you're coming up with. It's not because you have a, you know, say, anthony's cross in the corner of your room.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Throne in the other corner. That doesn't make you like those those are just tools.
Speaker 1:In my in my experience I will, like I have been, I have, you know, paid for experiences with people that have the massage tables and crosses and 35 chains and whips and all kinds of things that do not have the like, the mental and like connection skill set that you have. I will pick eating grapes from your feet over someone who has a three story dungeon most of the time, because most of the time the person has a three story dungeon is like similar to going to a low income like medical facility, like they're just like hello, you're here Cause I hit you a few times with this thing and get out and I was like it's a cookie cutter session as well.
Speaker 2:It sounds like a cookie cutter.
Speaker 1:Like, especially for me. I was just like that's not why I'm, that's not what I'm here to do, right, that's not. That will do no thing for me. And I was like, if, if I am, you know, an avatar of repeated activity, I'm not going to enjoy myself until you know I am looking for, like let us, let us be doing something unique for what is here. And you do that incredibly right. And like no thing is needed.
Speaker 2:Nothing's needed other than you. Yeah, this reframes it for me, actually, but that's also, it seems, like a lot of no. Maybe it's just a continued journey in self-worth understanding, like self-worth Cause I feel like holding my. The emotional response I had to that was oh, but there are expectations, like I'm not enough and I don't. I mean I mean that in like the spiritual way, but also like the. They show up for specific things, not just the person, which is oh yeah, they want the actual activity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but but Sorry, go ahead, go ahead, I'll say my thing after no, no, no, well, it doesn't say but it's a.
Speaker 2:But maybe they do show up just for the person. I don't know if I can't know if that's, or, I guess, like making too many assumptions for other people or speaking too much for other people. I think some people show up for the person. Other people are showing up for the activity. They just want their, they want their itch itched. Yeah, you know what I mean. You have to realize that people are very self-motivating. Yeah, like dogs, that's for themselves, they're trying to feed themselves. So it does sound like you're on a self-worth journey and I'll share with you that that's been a big part of what I've been doing in this, like in sex work. I didn't think that, that I didn't know that that was going to be an aspect of it, but then I was like, oh shit, I'm really on my journey and I'm inviting these people in on my journey. That's what was happening.
Speaker 2:That's like also the perspective I had when I started this podcast. I was like, oh, I'm going to have to like own up to a lot of mental like my own demons in order to like present in this space appropriately. Oh my gosh, yeah, I mean, I didn't know that sexual narcissism was a thing until I started doing this full time and then I was like, oh, that's me, oh shit, I'm the sexual narcissist. This is all about me and how I can get my sexual needs met through these people, and a lot of it was through sadism and through this female domination. And I shouldn't even like I don't even know why I keep saying female domination because one of the personas or one of the pronouns I think I take on as in my doming world is daddy. I'm definitely daddy and sir Don't mind taking on that masculine, the gender, the gender bender shit. I like playing in that world.
Speaker 2:That is fun, so, but you have the space to do what. You just switch it to the space that you're doing. You're working in a domestic setting. Is that what you're working on? Yeah, I look. Yeah, domestic domination. So make them organize your shoes and then, out of humiliation and some degradation, you make them smell them every so often, or you know like hey, you need to clean those with your tongue.
Speaker 2:You can have them wash your panties and, you know, throw in like erotic, erotic humiliation with that, by making them also smell them to make sure that they're clean or how dirty they are, and make them like rate them right, rate my panties from one to 10 on how dirty they are and then wash them in that order the dirtiest is the cleanest. Okay, your house cleaned. It sounds like you got groceries the other day. I mean, come on, get your house cleaned next. I did have a gentleman that organized my closet and I've had a gentleman that came in as well. No, a don't, did you say a Dom? No, a gentleman, another gentleman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so a variety of things have been done, but I had a harder time being like these people want to clean my house and organize my closet.
Speaker 1:They have a service tank.
Speaker 2:You know they want to serve as well.
Speaker 1:I mean, they're just, you know, as a cleaner of your microwave in the fridge and kitchen before, like the, if I'm scratching, is you know? You said I did a good job. That's what I wanted.
Speaker 2:I wanted to hear I'm a good boy, I'm a good boy, you wanted that reward. It's like the reward and punishment. It's like your brat. She was probably being bratty because she wanted more punishment. Oh for sure, yeah, she was like I'm done being spanked.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I'm not done with you giving me this attention, regardless if it's, you know, negative or positive in her mind. She wanted that attention, yeah For sure. Yeah, so she's gonna sit there and be bratty and you give it. And look it got you top high. It sounds like it did. It. Got me down, it's great, yeah, and it puts you in a space that you'd never been in and you're like, oh whoa, this is the first time I did something in a scene that I actually wanted to do. Now you're stepping into that femdom, that role that you're wanting, that dominant role or that disciplinarian, whatever role you're wanting to play. Yeah, it's, you want to do it now. It's a fun journey.
Speaker 1:What were you gonna say? What I was gonna say earlier is, like you know, so I know my itches right, like I know, like if I'm saying I want an activity, like I know what they all are right, or so I thought right and in, like some of the guinea pig experiences with you, like you find itches. I didn't know I had right and I. This has to do with three important things about you. Is one you're really, really creative, right? What was the thing that you said that you, like learned Hebrew so that you could wax mark into somebody, something ownership wise on them.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I just wrote my persona name in ancient Greek, Nice. It's like an owner. Yeah, and put it on. I learned to write it in ancient Greece. I could write it.
Speaker 1:Right and like that I don't remember the details, but like it made so much sense of like this, whatever scene that you were creating, like that you did that like if that was my thing, if that was my set of situations pants are shitting Like I would be like that's so good. And the second thing is that, like you're you know I don't know how to quantify this, but you are very worshipable, worshipable right, and so, like the, your approval gratitude, giving you the thing that you want is you know, that's a general kink of mine. You hit it at a higher level than a lot of people I go about. Like, giving you the thing that you want is great. One of the reasons why I'm just like I can't wait until you are centered with all of your self worth things is because you'll have more access to the things that you want to give, for people to give to you, so I can give you those things.
Speaker 2:I think it also sounds like Casey, you have some more exploration yourself to do personally to know what you like and what you don't like. It sounds like it's true.
Speaker 2:That's part of this journey too. I've done things that have been like, well, that's not it. And then I've done things that have been like, wow, it's cool. Yeah, and I'm sure Tyson probably can say that too. It's like I've done some things where I remember at the beginning going I would never, ever do that, Never. And then you do it and you're like, oh, my God, why would I say I would never do that? Or you'd be like, oh, I really really wanna try this thing, I wanna try it, I can't wait to try it. I tried it with this other person, it was awesome. And then you do it with somebody else, Like, oh, that was a flop. So it's really.
Speaker 2:It's about. It's also who you're doing it with. So you might be having these people at the beginning coming and seeing you, Casey, because they want to act out this foot scene with you and they want to do this foot thing. But you're into feet, but you're also into spanking and they're not into spanking. And now you insert, while you're doing the foot thing, that you're also into spanking.
Speaker 2:Now, the next time they come and see you now they're like well, you know, it was fun doing this foot thing and how excited you got about it. I kinda wanna see what you'd look like when you spank me now, Casey. So now they wanna start doing yeah, now they wanna start doing these things that you started inserting in to the prior scene. Now they're gonna come back with, like you planted a seed, basically. Now they'll run with it and be like oh well, my mistress likes this, maybe I like this too. And then the next thing they come back. That's all they could think about was oh my mistress, all she wants to do is pee on me. I can't wait, even though I hate pee.
Speaker 2:I want nothing to do with pee, but she's doing it. Oh, that's awesome, it's all gonna be great, yeah, yeah. So then now they're coming back for the person. I actually have a guy in my life that's a good example of that. He basically did just that. He's normally a top, but he found me on Fat Life and was like I think I wanna bottom you. And I was like okay, whatever, I love the tops, the thin male tops that come to bottom with me. It's one of my favorites. So many people say that I'm normally not into bottoming, but personally, about you.
Speaker 2:I was just like okay, you're the fifth person that said that today, so just say you wanna bottom, it's fine, it's fine. But yeah, he did that and he came over for I can't remember what. But when he was over we were chatting and I said, well, we'll see you spanking. And he was like well, I'm not into spanking, but I spank people, but maybe you can spank me. And then later he was like you know, next time he was like, okay, he spanked me and he liked it. And then he started thinking about it all the time. He was like I need you to spank me again. But I did. You know, I did other fun stuff with him, like he plays a violin really well. So I was like well, you're gonna bring your violin and you're gonna play music, I'm gonna squeeze your balls and it's gonna be a variable. And if you mess up on this, thank you. And that was super fun.
Speaker 2:But he's too damn good at the violin. Because I was not nice to that man's testicles and he did not skip a beat on that violin it was. I know I was like fine, fine Nickel nipple twisting. Maybe next time, maybe we'll try something.
Speaker 1:We'll try something. You gotta mess with the shoulder.
Speaker 2:He's a lovely person, yeah, somewhere where he's holding the violin.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe the shoulder Vlogging, vlogging the middle of the back, Cause I'm trying to think of what would mess me up on piano.
Speaker 3:Good idea.
Speaker 1:You could kick me square in the balls and I'm gonna finish this, but if you mess up, if you mess up my shoulder, then with the shoulders or the elbows.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's all just a continued journey and I lulled a little bit Like I was into it and then there was a like I'm in this period of time now. Maybe exiting this period of time where I was like this is like exhausting and I just keep meeting people that want stuff but don't wanna give stuff.
Speaker 2:That's common too when you're starting like people come over and they're like I really want your feet in my mouth and I'll be on like a service sub and I'm like and then you have them do things and you're like you're not, you don't wanna do, like this is not bringing you joy. I'm like here is what you have to do to get my feet in your mouth and you do a shitty job of cleaning my dishes and it's clear that you don't actually wanna do chores, even though you said you did. So what exactly am I getting out of this? Like? There's a lot of that you have to sift through too, and emotional labor that a lot of people don't wanna do either, yeah, or the work to just even get there, but that's just. I mean, you're gonna find that in any job you do, that's true. You can find those, that kind of mentality anywhere.
Speaker 1:The takers, not the givers.
Speaker 2:Did you purposely, purposefully, call it mentality? Ha ha, eh, ha ha ha. Mantality, that's the man. Yes, I have extreme dyslexia and I do like to make up my own words and language. Oh, that one is completely appropriate. I promised you that we would do a short one and we did not, because this conversation has been so lovely. So, no, it has been a good conversation. It started out slow and then we built up to it and got into it.
Speaker 2:Monday Jones, thank you so much for joining us again. It has been a delight to have you and I'll probably ask you back at some point, so just be prepared for that. And thank you, listeners, for tuning in as per usual. If you wanna, if you have a question or a confession or a kick you wanna hear about, please fill out our form on the Little Renegade Films website. Yeah, all the info will be in the show notes. Yeah, and we have a Patreon. If you wanna support us, that's also on the website and we'll be in the show notes.
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