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Talk Dirty To Me
S2E6 (Gwen) - Comedy, Consent, and Kink in the Media
- Guest: Gwen Sunkel (can we get the spelling of these guest names dropped somewhere I can find them so that I don’t have to guess how to spell the name as I’m looking for their socials to link??)
- From Indianapolis
- Stand up comedian for the last 8 years
- Also a nurse practitioner by day
- About to release a special Dec 1 on her YouTube channel
- On sort of both sides of the slash for kink
- Likes to be a sub, but also loves bossing men around
- Single, non-monogamous
- Relationships are time consuming
- Stand up comedy is the girlfriend between girlfriends.
- Women in comedy have it harder
- Sex in comedy
- Bedpost Confessions
- Kink in comedy and film
- Stephanie’s not here for surprise kink in film where surprise kink in film should not be.
- TW for rape discussion
- Starts around 15m:23s and goes through about 17:28
- Another “rape” bomb at 18m:16s
- Leonardo DiCaprio seems to get paddled in his films a lot. Thrice so far.
- Gwen’s Socials
- https://www.gwensunkel.com/
- Insta: @gwenderwoman
- Twitter: @gwenderwoman
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Speaker 2:Hello all you sexy beasts and welcome back to Talk Dirty To Me, the podcast where a group of friends with different perspectives on kink, fetish and sex talk dirty to one another. How's everybody doing today? Hopefully sexy as fuck. With me I have Tosin Awoo Fesso the kink-.
Speaker 1:Hello Ahoy.
Speaker 2:Stephanie Slayton, the queen of spankos. Oh, how Don't be so excited to be here.
Speaker 3:Stephanie, I'm just, that was just like an old, like howdy guy, oh howdy.
Speaker 2:KC neighborhood femdom sometimes from time to time, and our special guest Gwen Sunkel. Gwen, how are you doing today?
Speaker 4:Hi, I am doing so well. I am thrilled to be here with y'all and I have to say, KC, you have a very sexy voice. Oh, thank you. Very great podcasting voice. Thanks, Trulite. Yeah, I would say I have the face for radio, but you really have the voice for it, so that's good.
Speaker 2:Maybe one day somebody will want my sexy podcast voice on their commercial.
Speaker 1:I want it right now. I'll make a book commercial tomorrow. Right now I'm gonna do it. Can you do?
Speaker 2:it, can you do it? Gwen? You're a comedian yes, I am, tell me yeah and also a character actor yes, yeah, can you tell me a little bit?
Speaker 4:about your history and your bio. Yeah, yeah, so I live in Indianapolis. I started doing stand-up comedy about eight years ago by trade. I'm a nurse practitioner and I am about to put out a special Comes out drops December 1st. So if y'all want to see me and watch me, you can see that coming out on December 1st on my YouTube channel and I love traveling all around to tell the funnies and laugh at all the things we shouldn't laugh at, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love it, and I didn't know you're a nurse practitioner. That's also very exciting. Yeah, I guess yeah. I'm excited to have you there because I am also a female shocker and a comedian as well, so yeah, so I'm really looking forward to chatting with you about being a woman in comedy and sex and how it all blends together. Tosin's also a comedian. Stephanie is an actor as well.
Speaker 5:Love it.
Speaker 2:I'm all in the same pond here. We're amongst friends. We're amongst friends. Yeah, so real quick when we dive in. Are you at all kinky?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I would say so.
Speaker 2:Tell me all about it. What's your kink?
Speaker 4:I mean, I don't know that I have any one that I'm very specific for, but I do love submissive stuff, because it's that old trope that it's like ugh, I'm so in charge and have to make a lot of decisions and I'm responsible for a lot of stuff during the day, so I would love if somebody would just come in and take that all off my plate while I'm having sexy time. But I also really enjoy making fun of men and bossing them around, and it's that you know get sexy and fine with that as well.
Speaker 2:So it sounds like you are on both sides of the slash a little bit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say I just the thing I love about kink is just the level of excitement that it brings to sex, and I know you're like, oh to sex need to be more exciting. And it's like yeah, we're playing with it. It's a fantasy, we're having fun. You know, like, if that's what you want to do, then there's nothing. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you have play partners, or is it something you just enact with partner partners?
Speaker 4:I don't have any current play partners, but I have in the past, yeah, and so it's been like a fun dynamic One of my favorite partners. We would like switch mid-scene, kind of who was doming or whatever, which was the most delightful thing, because it would be kind of like, okay, tag out, I can't.
Speaker 3:I can't be in charge anymore.
Speaker 2:Nice, I'm spent. I need you to make the decisions.
Speaker 1:When you die, I'm going to untie you.
Speaker 2:And then let's just pick up where we left off, but with reverse roles.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm going to emotionally starfish this.
Speaker 2:That's fantastic. And your relationship stylings. Are you Polly? Are you monogamous? Are you non-anogamous?
Speaker 4:Non-anogamous. Yeah, I just, I wish single but non-monogamous. So, which always makes you feel really good, right? You're like I'm open to everyone, I'm open to more than one, everyone. So where are they?
Speaker 5:I will accept anything.
Speaker 4:Yes, yes, but yet here I am. Maybe that's the, maybe that's my problem, maybe it's like too broad you know people are like afraid to touch it because it's too much.
Speaker 2:But I don't know. I have you said sometimes I'm open to everything and sometimes I'm not. But no matter what I do, I find most often that what I end up with is fuck boys and that's they're, they're so everywhere.
Speaker 1:They're so everywhere.
Speaker 4:I also say too I also say too, I don't know if y'all run into this as like entertainers, but, like I said, you know the time that I would have to put toward a relationship I am putting toward performing Like I'm dating stand up comedy. You know like yeah, and you can like. Sometimes you meet people who are like starting stand up and things like that and you can tell like, oh, they're just doing this, like in between girlfriends you know, it's just like the surrogate partner between human partners is stand up comedy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like well, I don't have anybody to go on a day with tonight, so I guess I'll go to an open mic and practice these dick and fart jokes.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that's hilarious. Yeah, are you? So you've been doing comedy for eight years and you okay. So let's talk about being a woman in comedy. Let's do it? I find that it is. I mean, it's obviously male dominated. We've all watched the Marvelous Ms Mazewell. Do you find that?
Speaker 4:I couldn't watch it. I gotta be honest.
Speaker 2:Really, why tell me everything?
Speaker 4:Because I know how the sausage is made Like you know it's it's. I also like can't watch a medical drama because I'm like that's not real. Yeah, I like you can't watch Grey's Anatomy. Come on, are you kidding?
Speaker 2:me? Yeah, that's fair. Have you found that? Do you feel like? I don't know? This question might be cliche that it's been. You could do it. As a woman has been more difficult to try to rise within the industry.
Speaker 4:Oh my God, yeah, like I was prepared, prepared for it to be like a boys club, but I was not prepared for how much of a boys club.
Speaker 4:You know, yeah, I was like I thought I was going in eyes wide open, but still no it's, yeah, there's, there's like so many dynamics about it, but yeah, no, I definitely feel that harder, it's hard, yeah, it's harder for women to excel. I feel like women will like get one chance, or like two chances, and if they don't knock it out of the park on that like one big chance, it's like, oh well, she's not ready, you know, but like guys can go up there and you know, not do their best over and over and over again, and everyone still like, books them and and engages with them and everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that sounds right. Oh yeah, oh for sure.
Speaker 1:I've I've had several male stand up comic friends trying to make it, who are just bad. It's just like you're not, you're not fine. How do you keep getting pretty decent slots at these places?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I usually say that that's it's probably a thing where it's like all had no cowboy. You know, it's like they're a good hang, they're like fun hang out with. They have weed, they you know what for what you know. Something else is like keeping them in the door you know, is it their dick holding the door.
Speaker 1:It's a doorstopper.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's like a doorstop. Yeah, if the dicks and comedy were that big, we would all be having a different podcast right now, I think.
Speaker 2:And you talk about sex a lot in comedy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, Just because I think it's like relatable, I guess yeah, everybody, everybody has sex. And well, not everybody, but many, many people have sex and many people have they. Don't laugh about it enough, you know, we're not willing. We're not willing to like be silly about it. We think like that being sexy means being serious, and I don't think that's necessarily or not, the best way to approach every woman queefs after doggie style. Right, right, sorry Before, during, after it's the cherry on top of that position.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like that's how you know you did it right you know I worn all the cunnilingual connoisseurs in their lifetime and I'm like listen, orgasms cause, you know, contractions, tensions and then relaxations. Be prepared to be farted in the face of okay, it's going to happen, yeah, don't make it a thing.
Speaker 4:You right, yeah. Or if you're going to like, make it a thing, don't like embarrass somebody about it, unless they're like that True.
Speaker 1:Have you ever heard of?
Speaker 4:somebody like with a humiliation kink, who like someone making them do stand up comedy, not a stand up comedy.
Speaker 1:You know, I enjoy, I enjoy being animated, but I don't think anyone's cleverly been that creative.
Speaker 4:I was like all right that's, you know what stage you should go on stage, yeah.
Speaker 2:That is a great humiliation for somebody. Holy shit, especially if they're not a comedian.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so there was actually this sorority here in town who, like if somebody I don't know got in trouble or they were like punished among their like punishment was that they had to sign up to do the open mic at the comedy club in our town.
Speaker 2:Oh my, God, that's fantastic. What a punish, yeah.
Speaker 4:And I'm like, I'm so glad that my life's dream is going to shit. Thank you.
Speaker 2:Really quick before we divert too far from it. I wanted to share this story when, tosen, you were talking about contracting and relaxing and things that happened. So I went to bedpost confessions with a just a storytelling show here in Austin, texas, that talks about, you know, things that are a little more sex related and they do these confessions. So when you come in as the audience you can fill out a confession card it's anonymous and then they read them between storytellers and they just yeah, they read like whatever somebody confessed and one of my favorite confessions.
Speaker 2:So this is somebody else's confession that I heard at bedpost confessions. She was talking about how this guy was going down on her and it was incredible and she'd never experienced just pleasure from receiving head and she was enjoying it fully and all of a sudden she farted and she was mortified. But before she get to say anything, the gentleman lifted up his finger, put it to her butthole and said shh, that's the man of the cloth.
Speaker 1:Gentlemen, oh my God.
Speaker 4:Mary, that man.
Speaker 2:So have you found that when you talk about sex during your sets, the audience is receptive to it, or do they have to warm up to it?
Speaker 4:I think it's better if, like, I warm up to it a little bit, it's I, or if I'm doing like a really short set, if I'm doing like seven minutes or something, then it's like I almost want the whole thing to be about sex. Sometimes that's like the better way to go, as opposed to just sprinkling it in here there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you ever do comedy about King stuff?
Speaker 4:Not really.
Speaker 2:How about y'all? No, I've not had the opportunity yet. Yeah, yeah, I do mostly improv and then I haven't done a show in a really long time because of the pandemic, and I did it for 20 years before that. So after the pandemic I was like I'm good. Good on that.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm good on that, but I would now yeah, I have to be, because this podcast came around after the pandemic, so it never the twain. The two paths have not crossed yet, but we'll see.
Speaker 3:Yeah, one thing, not a comedian, but I think it's time.
Speaker 2:I like that encouragement.
Speaker 3:What's Stephanie? Yeah, agreed, I'm not a comedian, but I find it creeping up in my work like writing and stuff. I feel like King Rear's it said. Now, you know, ever since I've kind of come out of the King closet and done this podcast and whatnot, I find it all over now. Now I see it even in films I'm watching, where I'm like, excuse me, that wasn't in the book. Oh, someone on set definitely had that kink.
Speaker 4:Like what's an example? I want to know.
Speaker 3:For instance, killers of the Flower Moon is a new Scorsese film that's out right now and Robert De Niro plays Leonardo DiCaprio's uncle. And Leonardo DiCaprio is 48 years old and he takes a paddling from his uncle and that's not in the book and sure I know that people did really crazy things back then. I don't know in what world a 48 year old man lets his uncle paddle him. So for me that was someone on set who's like I know what we should do here and I have lots of feelings about that because that's non-consensual to the audience and weird. Just make a just make a f**king spanking film or don't because I wait.
Speaker 2:Do you think, do you feel like that no Kings can be in film because the audience didn't consent to see them?
Speaker 3:I think that a lot of people do put that stuff in. Five Nights at Freddy's and Willy's Wonderland are essentially the same film. They couldn't be named the same thing, but they're after this game called Five Nights at Freddy's. There's no pedophilia anywhere. There's pedophilia throughout both of these films, from the very beginning to the very end. It's stuff that I feel like people can't help, the kinks they have. They find creative ways to put them in and the artists were consensual.
Speaker 3:If it wasn't in the book, why all of a sudden is it in the film? And if anything, it was a little bit jolting where even my spanko friends were like I was, my jaw was on the floor because it's kind of. It's just a weird predicament. What world in what world? And so you know, I mean I am a stickler for like consent and I do feel like that's been happening since, like I was a kid in films with like, where kids would get spanked on screen. I think that there's some, I think there's some weird bleeding over and you know I also have empathy for the fact that it was not. You know, these people didn't know what to do with it. So they're in the film world, they throw in what they like, fine. I mean the Nickelodeon guy who was like the head of all the kid shows. Every one of those kid shows, the kids take their shoes off and their feet are all in the camera and you know, come to find out this guy had a major foot fetish, which fine. But with kids, come on Hello.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But that's just my judgey, I think if you are doing source material that people will expect are expecting a certain thing and then surprising them with kinky things, then you should let them know. Like it'd be weird if Brave Little Toaster was readapted and you know, the vacuum cleaner was like choking people with his wires just because somebody like they had a choking kick. I was like you did something. You did something new there.
Speaker 4:The Brave Little Toaster was already upsetting enough. Okay, we don't need.
Speaker 1:I just really watched it and I'm just like this movie is rough.
Speaker 4:Who is that movie for? It's so upsetting, don't watch it.
Speaker 1:It's really upsetting. It takes you on a roller coaster.
Speaker 4:It's Wally bad it does it's Wally bad oh? No, go ahead, so we go on you first you first Like do you think that in Killers of the Flower Moon that was like meant to be sexual? Or do you think like any time two adults are like engaging in a spanking thing, there's like no, I don't think that.
Speaker 3:I don't think that it was sexual in what for anyone watching it, unless they were a spanko who enjoys male and male spanking, which I do. But I don't like it in my face when I'm not ready for it, because I'm also an analytical person and I really care about script and story and you really have to keep me on track if I'm going to watch a three hour goddamn film and I missed like 20 minutes after because I was like what just happened? Because I read the book and I was, I mean, hello, I would have been first in line to see this film, had it, you know, been in the book and I was excited for it and show this to me. But I was like this I'm still like what just happened? What right now just happened.
Speaker 2:So I have to be like the weird devils. I'm here and say that it's. I can't imagine a world where you have to consent to everything that happens in film, because so much bad shit happens in film.
Speaker 3:For sure. But that's why the worlds of, in my opinion, porn and film should not be so polarized. And oh, it's a porno Like there should be, just like there's TV MA and all these different warnings for violence and all of that stuff. You at least know that that's coming. I just think that things like we're at a place in the world where we know that people are triggered, we know that there's PTSD, that intense rape scenes will never be necessary to me. In a film you can allude to it, you can absolutely say that this is what happened. But I think that when there's like a like, for instance, in Cessna Neck, what's the show? They're in Scotland and she time travels, anyway, there's a, there's a non-consensual there could prop there's probably one in that too.
Speaker 3:But there's a non-consensual spanking in this because she like does something dangerous and so he whips her with a belt and it's supposed to be so hot to all of these people, like women, like when they read the book. We're like this is so hot in that same season. So the very last scene he gets his hand hammered to a table and then another male inmate, the prison guard, rapes him, for I think it's seven and a half minutes long. I finally was like we get it. Like oh my God, he's being raped, we get it. And these were very attractive men.
Speaker 3:It's not that I was like offended by it, I was just more like this is telling a different story. Now this is a story that is meant for, you know, like there's a lot of grandmothers out there that would like this show, but like this, this episode was a like closing point for them, where they're like this was ridiculous, it was too over the top, and it's because somebody was like no, we, they did rape men like this. This is not about homosexuality, it's about dominance over him, which I was like fuck off, that guy wanted to do that guy, and for seven minutes. That is just not necessary in any world to me, but if, but I but I could see it being a film where this person was into consensual non-consent and you set the whole scene up and you do the scene and then you find out that it was what that person was into or that you know.
Speaker 3:I because, like again, why are we showing films where, like, this guy can whip his woman with a belt and that's okay, cause it was just she was being dangerous, she didn't want it at all, it was definitely not consensual. So I mean, it's just a little stuff like that. I'm not like a rule follower, I just I think that hopefully, now that we're more open and a newer place, people can't get away with that so much where it's like the porn world just needs to step up and give good porn films. But that seems impossible.
Speaker 4:Well, but do you? I guess I have a two-part question. One do you feel like the current rating system and like like rated R and something that says like contains graphic sexual content, or like TVMA? You know those ratings don't cover the things that you're talking about. And then two like you know, movies and media are like a reflection of our own lives and like messy, terrible, disgusting things happen in our own lives, like do artists have to limit how they depict those based on the fact that it might upset someone? Like we run?
Speaker 4:into this in stand-up comedy all the time even.
Speaker 3:Totally, totally, totally. So for the first question, I think it would not be hard. Someone is just typing out for them to say it's this they're going to have rape, they're going to have spanking, they're going to have choking, they're going to have this. If you have a problem with any of it, don't watch this film. I don't think that's too hard to do and I don't think those things don't need to be in film.
Speaker 3:My issue is if it's not necessary because, like, let's say, this guy was paddled by his uncle when he was 48, the one that said this is a good idea. Let's put this in this film, whether that's Corsese or the writer or whoever decided to add it in when it wasn't in the book. You need to find a different outlet because it's not adding to the story and you're not telling your story here. You're not telling a story that's about how that's inappropriate or that was traumatic for someone. This is just like hey, back then, uncles just paddled their nephews into their fifties. I just find that not accurate. That's not accurate. Like that feels to me like someone took a step. I don't think they're a bad person. I'm just like oh, I know what you're doing because I read the book. There's no spanking in the book. Why is there spanking all of a sudden? And I'm a spank out Like I live for that shit.
Speaker 3:But I was also like, excuse me, I'd like to talk to someone. What's happening? But I don't think artists should limit themselves. If you want to tell your story, tell your story, and I would love to get with that person and help them tell a story that they want to tell.
Speaker 3:But when you put it in, when you pepper it in because you just want to see it on the big screen or you want to like get it out there somehow, that's where I have a problem. I don't have a problem with. This is the story. This is actually what happened. But I do think people get away with a lot by being like, but I didn't explicitly say that he's touching that little girl, I just, yeah, like Willie's Wonderland, like all of that was like really like uncomfortably creepy when deemed after a video game where there's no pedophilia in the video game whatsoever. So why both of these films had these really harsh pedophilic undertones was so interesting to me and again, I'm not judging them because no kids were harmed in the making of this. But I didn't sign. I didn't want to watch a horror film about pedophilia.
Speaker 1:No, thanks, this actually eliminates, like a beef of mine that I have musically in films, because I think it's like in the same vein where it's like, like, for example, as anybody watched the line, the witch of the wardrobe and Prince Casper in okay, and Prince.
Speaker 3:It's from like years ago.
Speaker 1:And so that movie is scored by either Harry Grickson, william or John Williams. It's really good. Like the score is incredible. All the way through I left the line with the wardrobe being like this is one of my favorite scores of all time. Prince Casper comes out and I'm like just so awesome. This is incredible. And the very end you know as land returning beautiful, magical, wonderful things happen. They have this knockoff Taylor Swift pop songs playing for the end of it and I'm like what? I literally stood up in the theater and it was like why would you do this to me? I didn't say that out loud, but would you do this to me?
Speaker 2:Is this like Lady Gaga singing the Top Gun song?
Speaker 1:No, lady Gaga's Top Gun song is fine and so it makes sense, right, the new version of Top Gun. It's cool. It makes sense to update the type of thing you do, like what they did in the Great Gatsby, where they just, like that, changed it over. But it feels like what happened with Prince Caspian is like somebody's doing somebody a favor, like the reason that this is here in front of the screen is to satisfy someone else's desire not for the creative story that has nothing to do or doesn't move anything forward.
Speaker 3:Sony was like we'll give you $5.8 million, but you're going to play this song at the end because we're going to push this.
Speaker 1:It feels like we're like oh, we're trying to promote one of our other artists, so we're going to, you're connected in and we're going to put it in there, and so, like I think the line for me and with what you're talking about is like A yes, I definitely think like the TVMA ratings can have more things in them. Like a lot of streaming services do this on their own right. If you watch like Netflix and Hulu, they'll have like much more specific things like depictions of gore and sexual assault and things like that. They'll add that in the beginning in their title cards. It's be easy to do for like major films. And if you're dealing with source material and you're going to creatively adapt it to add in these types of things, you should also say something about it. And I have like a not like you can't do it, but you know, I have like a personal quam. If you're like re-adapting a new a movie and you add that randomness, in there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm not going to like protest or pick it the film or say that it's not a good film. I'm just simply saying that why are we, in 2023, in a place where this person can't find a film to work on, where they can actually put a spanking in that makes sense, even if it is consenting adults? Like, don't you? This was just so bizarre to me. It was really like I was reaching, I was using all of my imagination to be like no, no, I get it. Okay, okay, sure, your uncle says bend over and you're like yeah, okay, it just was like Interesting when you're talking about adapting like a book like you can.
Speaker 4:you know, an author can dedicate 30 pages to talking about, like, the inner workings of the mind and the relationship between, like a dude and his nephew or something, whereas if you're like, oh no, I really want to show that they have this really kind of weird messed up power dynamic.
Speaker 3:Here's how I do that.
Speaker 4:Without 30 pages of exposition. And I also don't think like maybe in the Prince Caspian or Lion the Witch in the Wardrobe example, like a studio can come in and make those kinds of demands, but like I don't think somebody's just approaching Martin Scorsese on the set and being like hey, you know what I'm into spanking. We should put one of those Like he is very intentional about.
Speaker 3:True, but this is Leonardo DiCaprio's third film to be paddled in, and so I'm wondering if the actor himself was like you know.
Speaker 4:Oh, interesting. Okay, that's a very good point too.
Speaker 2:Leo, if you hear this, I'll thank you, call in Leo, we would all love to spank you. Go to littlerenegadefilmscom. Click on podcast. Click on Dr Dirty To Me. There's a form at the top. Fill it out. Give me your phone number, I will show up. I will spank the ever loving You're gonna spank.
Speaker 4:You're really gonna spank. That's why Leo enjoys being spanked is because he's like oh, I have all this young energy in my life. I need someone to bury me, listen.
Speaker 3:I'm not. I'm not. I'm just saying it's interesting to me that that is the third film he's been paddled in and I yeah you're not wrong, I just Are the other ones as random as this one? No, they were. He was a at a prep school in one where he was on all fours and he was barking like a dog while he was being paddled. He was like a teenager, and then the other was a mother doing it in like a 1950s film.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 3:Oh, was it De Niro.
Speaker 1:I think so. Oh my God, the slave version of him that's like in the mask, like the one of the opening scenes of where he's like in there. I think he gets spanked. I have to watch it again.
Speaker 3:My head will actually explode. If that's the case, cause, then they're. They're like, I feel like the mystery solved.
Speaker 4:That's the final data point yeah, you really get to the bottom of this, literally and figuratively figured it out. Let's go to.
Speaker 2:TMZ, no Talking about. So, first of all, it makes a lot of at least makes more sense to me when you oh, and I understood it that what is happening is you're okay with spanking in film, but why can't we just make a realistic like? Why can't it be realistic and like not really?
Speaker 3:like right and like yes, and, and I don't think that children get to make any decisions in film. I think that's already such a touchy thing. So if it's a, if it's a historical piece where the child is spanked, I think you will loo to it, I think it's a sound, I think it's. I don't think you physically put any children in that position, even if that is real life, because a as a child, when I was spanked, I because I was a spanko and didn't know how to explore that that felt wildly traumatic and wildly like my body was being violated, and so I just but if it's with adults, I'm not saying there aren't instances out there there's a film called Cinnamon Out right now where they've kidnapped this girl and it's it's of all things, I would love to be spanked by her. She's such a babe Foxy, she was so hot, I think she was a Bond girl, can't think of her name but she like switches this girl like she with a willow switch and it's a really intense scene and I fine, I guess fine, but I still am like I don't know. It's just such an interesting choice for someone to make, like I bet she goes and she picks a willow switch and she whips this teenage girl because it's not her mom, it's not her. This is a captive Like. They're like gang members that are like I don't know, it's just.
Speaker 3:I just feel like people do things to get their jollies in Hollywood, and that's okay, but I think we have to come to a place where, like, people are going to start figuring it out, like they're going to start saying, okay, well, hold on, and had I never like come out, truly come out of the kink closet? I would have been like, oh, they're Danny in the deep blue sea that plays out Like I am auditioning for that play. So that's not a great thing, though, because I'm not doing it, because I want to tell the story. I'm like, oh, I get to get spanked on stage every night. Like there's something false about it to me. There's something like because then does the actor I'm doing that scene with know that I'm enjoying every moment of this, and is that non-consensual to them? Like, if they don't know that I have this spanking kink, but I've like auditioned for this role, I book it, and every night I'm like, oh, that was amazing.
Speaker 3:I don't know, it's just just thinks. My brain does, things my brain thinks about. I just always want to be honest with that kind of stuff and there are certain scenes like that in flowers, whatever, of the killer moon, where I was just like no, I'm so sorry, that's just, I really tried to pull it. I was like Googling people spank their children in their forties in the 1930s.
Speaker 4:I mean, there are like groups of people now who engage in like spousal spanking oh for sure, Even in 2023 and like not from a kink perspective, like from a discipline perspective.
Speaker 3:So I don't believe that it's not a kink for someone there. I don't believe that it's. You can't convince me that one or not. I feel like so sad for the one who's not who's in it. That is just like. No, I deserve this because there's also Christian domestic discipline. I, but also like I just I just want everybody to be on board with what they're doing and not not offending people, because again, that scene wasn't gonna like Traumatize anyone. I was more like uncomfortable at the thought of Anyone being that submissive to their uncle, but I was would have been all on board if I knew that, like both men were into it.
Speaker 2:Another Kink in film. Oh my god, I forget the film and the famous director actor as a foot fetish and he, nicholas Cage, bloodsuckers. Nicholas Cage no this is a different one the one who they had to pour.
Speaker 3:They had to pour warm.
Speaker 2:No it's all a ceremony in a minute, but we were watching a vampire film for bloodsuckers, our sister podcast. If you're into vampires and vampire films, go check it out. And there was this. He, this family, gets kidnapped and there's a daughter, a younger son and a dad and One of the captors and like is it creepy? It's a creepy predator for sure. But there's this one scene where he's looking at the daughter and she they get just get a close-up shot of her feet and he stares at her feet. And there's another woman that they kidnapped and he's like comes in on the bed, take off your shoes. And like the feet are all over this film. And when we read the trivia, it's because this guy has an actual foot fetish and so he put feet all up in it.
Speaker 3:It also sounds like he made this captor guy have the foot fetish he do yeah. So like to me, that makes it that like, okay, we've talked about it, this guy clearly has a foot fetish. We know what's going on here. So like I don't have a problem with that, although I'm they just randomly stuck foot shots in it.
Speaker 2:It was there were. There were several very subtle things that happened. It wasn't part of the storyline, the only reason we were both like it's weird. They showed a close-up at that girl's feet and then later on we're reading trivia. We read about how he had a foot fetish and stuck it up in there for no particular reason. Yeah, let me, I'm gonna. While we have this conversation, I'm gonna text Sarah Marie and see if she can.
Speaker 1:I actually, I actually have a question.
Speaker 1:Give me that information, something I've doodled with before. So I would love to hear you know, go ahead and everybody sauce on it is because you mentioned like internally having a kink. I mean being in a situation where, like that kink is activated and what do I do about the enjoyment of that? Like today I was getting him a massage with a friend of mine and it's like a dual-person massage. They do acupuncture and she did. She had done like acupuncture with electro, like nodes on the acupuncture, and I have recently become an enjoyer of electro play. So like that was happening and I'm getting with size me two people at the same time and like I'm actively trying to be like don't react and so and it's like so, like I'm definitely Enjoy it at a non professional level, like I'm not gonna make it anybody else's problem. I'm like I'm face down, like any physical reactions are like not part of the situation. If they had asked me to flip over at the time, I would have been like I require a moment.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't want to make people and I don't make people uncomfortable and all that. And I'm also dacrophilic, and so that's the one that comes up the most often dacrophilic, I'm sorry you're what turned on by crying and so like. So if someone's like Like having an emotional moment of like crying into my shoulder, I am, you know, I'm compassionate and doing all the things I'm supposed to, but it is also a situation that arouses me which, again, I don't make.
Speaker 2:That can you tell me what it is about crying. That are my investigation.
Speaker 1:Well it's. It mostly has to do with, like, I'm very, very drawn to Gratitude expressed sexually. So the storyline in my head of comforting a crying person, then the gratitude for that comfort leads to, leads to like a internally for that person Satisfying gratitude of like doing something sexual.
Speaker 1:So I just think it's because it's like you know, the first line in the story that arouses me is why tears end up turning me on and again it's not like again, I don't make it anybody else's problem or issue, and like people don't deal with it, like most people don't know that I'm dacrophilic and like I have enough Physical control, that it's like, oh, you know, you're not gonna catch anything arising there and I'm fully fine in being compassionate about it. But like is it a crime that it does arouse me? And that's just this mean I need to start sprinting when people cry next.
Speaker 3:No, and I don't think, I don't think I've said that anything that I've mentioned I've not said.
Speaker 3:I don't think these people belong in jail and on the same foot and in the same kind of realm. I was in the class I think I maybe told the story in the podcast before and this teacher Gave me the scene of Danny in the deep blue sea and I literally my friend Chelsea, who knows all about my kink was in that class, sitting next to me and she was like, are you okay? And I was like I'm fine, because it's a table read, we're not gonna. This scene is not gonna happen. This scene happened.
Speaker 3:I remember it's a really, really intense scene and I remember out of the corner of my eye, even though I was so into it, I saw his chair move closer to mine and, sure enough, when that scene came mind you, I've been at the studio for seven years, I have watched so many table read, so they'll be like we kiss here. It says we kiss here or I slap him here. No one does anything at the table read. Sure enough, he threw me over his knee and spanked me that, even though I love that that was I was like I didn't wait or anything?
Speaker 2:Were you sitting in a chair and he just like you up and ragged? All yes.
Speaker 3:And it was where I was like and if I'm gonna like kiss somebody, we like talk about it, we like there's that conversation. That's an example. I'll tell you after. But I think ceremony both ceremony and of course Chelsea was there, because Chelsea was like, when I came to sit back Down she was like are you okay, is it? You Are you still there? Like, did you just dissociate completely? Because and I was fine, it was not. I didn't eat therapy afterwards, but I did remember thinking someone should tell him don't just like thank someone, that's like not okay.
Speaker 4:No, definitely not. And on top of it.
Speaker 3:At the end, when she, like, gave us our notes or whatever, he came up to me and I thought, oh, this is the moment. He says I'm so sorry. And he said put some ice. And I thought, buddy, if only you knew what I could take. Your Spanking was nothing, it was just more of the like this was so yeah, yeah, this person just was like I could do this, I 100% could do this, without you know, seeing if it's okay with that when it's not real quick and if the answer to this is no, that's okay.
Speaker 2:Do you have a couple minutes of a set sex jokes in it that you could tell us?
Speaker 4:sure, I guess, yeah, yeah, I don't know how, like how.
Speaker 2:Is that? We're gonna be like we'll try it out if it's. If it's terrible, we'll cut it. If it's not, if it like doesn't translate Well, if it makes you feel better, I'll add a laugh track.
Speaker 4:Did you all do any zoom comedy or like zoom performance?
Speaker 2:Oh my god, I did and it was terrible a whole ass zoom musical.
Speaker 4:Oh I, my friends and I would describe it as the methadone of comedy. Oh god Does it?
Speaker 2:just doesn't hit the same, you know stand up did it and did it, and theater did it as well. I'm gonna do our plays digitally. Do an a? Yes, I had to do. I did a run of shows at a theater and then, during the pandemic, they're like we're gonna do that show on the computer and I was like I do not consent.
Speaker 3:Are we neither?
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I, as I said before, I like everyone, I'm a bisexual lady and that means that I have a very specific type and that is people with knuckle tattoos, because they look like they can really finger bang. You know, right, like if the hamburger helper hand had knuckle tattoos, I would never get out of the grocery store. You know They'd be like fake tits, real beef. You know that's in my head the hamburger helper's knuckle tattoos would say yeah.
Speaker 2:How's that, does that work? That was perfect. That was perfect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to ask you, like what? Is a bit that you have that's like a sexy bit that you personally enjoy, but doesn't like land well on stage.
Speaker 4:That one, that one I know. No, really, you guys I have like big hands, really do it for me. I'm sure Stephanie is someone who enjoys spanking. You're like big hands and I like I'm always very transparent with people that I feel like fingering is the superior in all sex act in my humble opinion.
Speaker 1:So Penises are not shaped for that.
Speaker 4:I'm always just like get on the train. Guys, come on like the finger banging train.
Speaker 2:It's pretty great. It's a good train. It's good, it's a good train yeah. Like yeah, quinn, thank you so much for coming out and chatting with us.
Speaker 3:You've been so delightful. This has been a blast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this conversation has been awesome, so thank you so much, gwen. Real quick, before we go, can you tell us where people can find you on the internet and in real life and if you have any shows coming up?
Speaker 4:Yes, you can find me on my website, gwensunklecom. I'm on social media at Gwendoorwoman, so that's like Wonder Woman, but like with a Gwen and a Juan, and I list all my show updates there.
Speaker 2:Amazing. Go find her people. It's fucking funny. Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and themsters, sexy beasts out there, Don't forget about the form I pitched at the beginning or sometime in the middle of this podcast. If you have something you want us to talk about, or if you don't know, I guess it would be awesome Go click that form, fill it out. I will read it and do stuff with it.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll flip your nails everybody.
Speaker 2:I'll see you behind the door. Bye, bye, you, sexy beasts.
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